jayandbutton

it's one thing to try to get qualified ppl jobs particularly those of color. that's the american way. it's another to discriminate AGAINST one group just because of the color of their skin. xiaoxue makes a valid point. while relatively few asian students apply to SLO many do to pomona, and some don't get in so the reports go in order for the school to become more "diverse." then these qualified students must go to a weak CSU like san bernardino or northridge even though their admit packets very well were at UC levels. what would an asian student do who wanted to study engineering or architecture at cal poly? go study nursing at dominguez hills? is that fair?

Giants8307

It's not fair at all, but I'm not concerned with fairness. I'm concerned with other minority groups reaching the same levels as whites and asians. AA seems like a good way to do that. Again, it's unfair and racist, but I'm ok with that as long as it serves a greater purpose.

jayandbutton

i read elsewhere that you said teachers will teach up or down to a class. how would like to have a science class at SLO where you learned nothing so that unprepared students could be accomodated? and then you lost job opportunities as a result? how far do you push this crusade? aren't enrichment programs in high schools a better way? that way the underrepresented groups who want to work have a chance and the lazy ones can drop out and go become losers.

m15rules

I agree with you 100%. I grew up in a poor family where ethics and hard work were encourage, but where school and education took priority over work. I attended competetive schools and took many honor courses and AP.classes where there were few if any minorities. Yet, I never felt out of place or guilty. Why should I? I took the require courses and petition counselors to take these competitive courses in high school. I can proudly say that my success is do to why hard work and not my race. I am sure that many minorities at elite schools don't have the preparation or the grades of their Caucasian and Asian peers. I meet many USC, UCLA and Harvard graduates who were minorities who really should have not have been admitteed. Many people play the race card. It's sad, but I guess it works at more liberal institutions who feel guilty and will try to balance their campus with minorities that should not be attending these schools. The real minorities at colleges are the working poor. The new issue of US News and World Report has an in depth study about the lack of poor students at elite schools. It's really interesting to read and learn what many experts are saying about race and income factors. Many still think race is a better factor then income when affirmative action decisions are made. I for one think that poor students like myself, should get more priorities then people who are minorities and middle class. It would be a better AA policy then the one we have now. Or even better yet, no AA policy.

jayandbutton

if you are a cal poly student at either SLO or pomona we are lucky to have you, M15, for you would get an A on an essay exam like this.

you are right...discriminati on is increasingly against poor ppl regardless of race. the race card becomes the excuse. we are led to believe that whites and asians are rich and blacks and latinos are poor. there are MILLIONS of poor whites and asians and MILLIONS of rich blacks and latinos. just go into a poor white or poor asian community and see for yourself. students in these families have to be better than better off latinos and blacks just to be even. to prove what? we talk about the injustices done to descendents of slaves. yes, and xiaoxue is right about asians. many chinese came here a century ago to be slave workers on railroads and to be slave workers on farms. now does white america make amends? not hardly. we are told that too many chinese students are in our university so we let others in for balance. what ever happened to the old fashioned american work ethic?

Giants8307

I don't believe in the old-fashioned American work ethic. I don't believe that by working ahrd you will automatically get what you want. A lot rides on luck. Againa, AA is not about the poor, it's about race. It's about correcting institutionalized racism. Cal poly already "discriminates" to a degree. The aggie college has average SAT's about a hundred points lower than the rest of the colleges @ SLO. This lowers the average level of student here. Do I think we should do away with the ag program? No. Student selectivity is important for a college education, but it's not the end-all and be-all. I guess I feel like an evening of the racial class discrepency is more important than having SLO be as selective as possible.

that-one-guy

Uhh its funny how many people who have had fair chances are also falling way behind. Students starting off with math 10 and lower level english which is pathetic if you think about it. Its part of a fundamental problem in the american infrastructure. And uhh They have placement tests for a reason. The mdpt is meant to serve a purpose as well as elm and toefl. Hence you shouldnt be in a class that you are not prepared for.