President Ortiz Tenure Coming to an End?

seaprt · 10-28-09, 11:55 AM

According to the Poly Post, President Ortiz is one of five finalists for the New Mexico State U. presidency. Personally I think this is good news for CPP. All he's got to claim during his tenure is the ill fated Prioritization and Recovery Project which tried to break up the College of Environmental Design, one of the most prestigious on campus, and would have moved the Architecture Department, the crown jewel of the university, to the College of Engineering. This was part of his plan to shift from a well rounded institution of free thought and learning towards a trade/ technical college like our neighboring DeVry.

He's also done a lot of damage to our reputation as reflected by our percipitous drop in the U.S. News rankings. As someone commented on the article, we've gone from 4th best public university in the west down to 8th as we've watched the likes of Long Beach State and Chico State catch up to us and then surpass us. Our College of Engineering has also dropped from 9th best to 15th with SJSU and CSUN closing in on us. Please join in on this or the Poly Post discussion and let him know how you feel about his tenure at Cal Poly Pomona.

http://www.thepolypost.com/news/brea...sity-1.2039712

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lakdod · 10-28-09, 05:06 PM

it wont be a huge loss if he leave. i believe the school need to go in a different direction.

seaprt · 10-29-09, 01:04 AM

I am very surprised at the amount of discourse on the Poly Post article. It is very unlike Cal Poly Pomona and worthy of a cut and paste into this board.

kurt
Thu Oct 29 2009 02:55
As a graduate of Cal Poly Pomona, let me state that it's a pleasant surprise at the amount of discourse we're having. When I was there studying architecture, all I could sense from the student populace was apathy and indifference about the quality of their education. That being said, I do believe, like most of you, that the acceptance standards do have to improve or we'll continue in our path towards CSU mediocrity.

The reputation of the college of engineering was built up over decades through their unique application of theory into hands on projects like the solar challenge (solar car race across continents). The College of Environmental Design continues to be the most selective mainly due to the Architecture Department which was for decades and until recently, the only impacted major on campus. The program is ranked 15 in the country. That may not sound high, but that's because it's ranked along all universities including PHD and private schools like Cornell, Syracuse, U Penn, UT Austin and USC while the College of Engineering is ranked 15th along other Masters universities such as other CSU's. I didn't know much about the College of Business as they were more book learned and their projects were much less visible. I am very surprised at their current size and I think they probably account for most of the recent population growth of the campus. Getting back to topic, I believe that Ortiz has failed to capitalize on the unique programs that we have and separate us from the mediocre CSU pack. Breaking up ENV and ramming Architecture into Engineering is a failure to recognize the different theories and cultures that make these programs and the university unique.

Cal Poly Pomona will only be as good as it's graduates and thus the students that it admits. The dilemma here is that the stricter admissions become, the less students and thus the less money the university gets. Here again, Ortiz has failed by opting for quantity over quality. Our elite sister campus is impacted for all majors and they maintain their student to faculty ratio to 16 to1 while we guarantee admissions to minimally qualified applicants to all but 5 majors and our ratio is up to 24 to 1. It's unfortunate that it has to take an economic crisis to finally restrict admissions. Let's just hope we can also improve the college experience as well.
Sara
Wed Oct 28 2009 21:50
Martin makes an excellent point. Why is it that any Tom, Dick or Harry that graduates from high school and happens to live in California is automatically accepted into this university? It doesn't make any sense. A college education is a privilege not a right. Sadly, the majority of Cal Poly's students aren't making the grade, and should have their privileges revoked.
Sara
Wed Oct 28 2009 21:44
No ones bashing engineers. I was just stating a fact the the College of Business does have the most majors on campus. That being said, quantity obviously does not equal quality. Whether you want to believe it or not, the College of Engineering is also in danger if Cal Poly Pomona continues to deteriorate. Now more than ever its time for Cal Poly students to squash whatever petty elitist beef they have with one another and come together to try to save this school.

Cal Poly Pomona is a business, and a crapily run one at that. Any other company would increase the supply of their product or service to match the demand for it. Instead Cal Poly chooses to cut back on classes and teachers, the only things that make them successful. We need to put pressure on the administration to provide us with the quality education we deserve. Why are we paying more for a watered down education? Rankings mean absolutely nothing. If Cal Poly's administration continues on this detrimental path, in the next few decades this school may not even exist.
Martin
Wed Oct 28 2009 21:29
I don't know why exactly cal Poly has beeng going down... ORTIZ OR NOT!! their are TOO many Stupid!! IDIOTS in this school who aren't worth more than a 3.0 gpa.. THAT IS CRAP!!! I hope the new president restructures enrollment qualifications and recruiting for brighter students! bring up the competition. And reevaluate some of these professors who are a joke! along with some students sitting next to me... Good LUCK to us for a GREAT PRESIDENT!!

Coming from a Chemical Engineer Perspective
Stacey
Wed Oct 28 2009 18:59
things... not thinks (damn you Explorer!)
Stacey
Wed Oct 28 2009 18:58
I'm an engineering student and I think all majors are important.With that in mind, however, we just feel a little betrayed by you guys (non-Engineering majors) who are not keeping up with the College of Engineering or Environmental Design standards. Take a look at Cal Poly-SLO's Orfalea College of Business. It's light years ahead of Pomona's. On the other hand, the College of Engineering at Pomona is ranked #5 in the nation among public master's universities as opposed to SLO's being #1, and ranks along West Point, Cooper Union, Harvey Mudd, etc. The College of Environmental Design (Architecture) is so prestigious they actually rank along Harvard, Berkeley, Cornell, USC, etc and they've had faculty members who are Pritzker Prize laureates (aka "Nobel Prize of Architecture"). Who do guys compare to? Chico State? Come on!!! It's time the College of Business gets some MAJOR restructuring. That's just some of the thinks we engineers think about you guys.
Sara
Wed Oct 28 2009 16:36
Goodbye and good riddance! Oh yeah, more students are part of the College of Business, than any other major at Cal Poly Pomona.
not an engineering student
Wed Oct 28 2009 15:59
@ Paul, Even though engineering is a great program, I am so sick of people saying that Cal Poly is an engineering school. There are other majors that don't get recongnized enough. It's with that attitude that when job fairs are on campus they are so focused on engineeing and business. Just an observantion... not a rant
* taking my irrevelant comment and steeping out of the thread now*
PAUL
Wed Oct 28 2009 15:42
WE NEED ONE HELL OF AN ENGINEER AS A PRESIDENT. THIS IS AN ENGINEERING SCHOOL!
Brian
Wed Oct 28 2009 14:41
Ortiz leaving is the best thing that could happen to Cal Poly University.
The students, faculty and staff will be bettered served without him.
This University needs a president that is not clueless to the needs of the campus community.
Marco
Wed Oct 28 2009 12:50
GOOD!!!! Ortiz was turning the once proud "Cal Poly Pomona" brand into a technical college like Devry or ITT. We need to emulate what has Cal Poly-SLO has done in the last decade if we want to catch up to them. See you later Ortiz, believe me, you won't be missed!
concerned student
Wed Oct 28 2009 04:41
Ortiz does not know how to run a college as competitive as Cal Poly Pomona. New Mexico will do him and our university some good. Hopefully our new President will actually care about the Students, Faculty, and Staff instead of his or her own personal endeavors. Cal Poly definitely needs a new direction and replacing Ortiz is just the first step in that plan. The majority of our top level administrators are not doing their jobs. I hope that he takes of few of them with him.
evan
Wed Oct 28 2009 01:47
On the CSU front, we used to be second to Cal Poly SLO an then we got surpassed by Cal State Long Beach and now CSU Chico all during his tenure. Fullerton's next. It's time for fresh new leadership!
evan
Wed Oct 28 2009 01:36
Our U.S. News rankings have gone down the tubes since he took over. Engineering went from 9th best in the country in 2005 to 15th in 2010. We've also gone from 4th best public master's university in the west in 2004 down to 8th in 2010. Check out the rankings by doing an archive search "U.S. News" on the Polycentric website.
kurt
Wed Oct 28 2009 00:31
Great!! Ever since he got to Pomona, he's tried to turn our university into a technical college by dismantling the College of Environmental Design and moving the Architecture Department to the College of Engineering. If he leaves, maybe our next president can bring a better vision for our university.

10-28-09, 11:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
seaprt Newcomer Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 22	President Ortiz Tenure Coming to an End? According to the Poly Post, President Ortiz is one of five finalists for the New Mexico State U. presidency. Personally I think this is good news for CPP. All he's got to claim during his tenure is the ill fated Prioritization and Recovery Project which tried to break up the College of Environmental Design, one of the most prestigious on campus, and would have moved the Architecture Department, the crown jewel of the university, to the College of Engineering. This was part of his plan to shift from a well rounded institution of free thought and learning towards a trade/ technical college like our neighboring DeVry. He's also done a lot of damage to our reputation as reflected by our percipitous drop in the U.S. News rankings. As someone commented on the article, we've gone from 4th best public university in the west down to 8th as we've watched the likes of Long Beach State and Chico State catch up to us and then surpass us. Our College of Engineering has also dropped from 9th best to 15th with SJSU and CSUN closing in on us. Please join in on this or the Poly Post discussion and let him know how you feel about his tenure at Cal Poly Pomona. http://www.thepolypost.com/news/brea...sity-1.2039712 http://polycentric.csupomona.edu/new...isplay=archive http://polycentric.csupomona.edu/new...isplay=archive http://polycentric.csupomona.edu/new...isplay=archive http://polycentric.csupomona.edu/new...isplay=archive http://polycentric.csupomona.edu/new...isplay=archive http://polycentric.csupomona.edu/new...isplay=archive http://polycentric.csupomona.edu/new...isplay=archive

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lakdod Guru Joined: Apr 2005 Location: Rowland Heights Posts: 759	it wont be a huge loss if he leave. i believe the school need to go in a different direction.

10-29-09, 01:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
seaprt Newcomer Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 22	I am very surprised at the amount of discourse on the Poly Post article. It is very unlike Cal Poly Pomona and worthy of a cut and paste into this board. kurt Thu Oct 29 2009 02:55 As a graduate of Cal Poly Pomona, let me state that it's a pleasant surprise at the amount of discourse we're having. When I was there studying architecture, all I could sense from the student populace was apathy and indifference about the quality of their education. That being said, I do believe, like most of you, that the acceptance standards do have to improve or we'll continue in our path towards CSU mediocrity. The reputation of the college of engineering was built up over decades through their unique application of theory into hands on projects like the solar challenge (solar car race across continents). The College of Environmental Design continues to be the most selective mainly due to the Architecture Department which was for decades and until recently, the only impacted major on campus. The program is ranked 15 in the country. That may not sound high, but that's because it's ranked along all universities including PHD and private schools like Cornell, Syracuse, U Penn, UT Austin and USC while the College of Engineering is ranked 15th along other Masters universities such as other CSU's. I didn't know much about the College of Business as they were more book learned and their projects were much less visible. I am very surprised at their current size and I think they probably account for most of the recent population growth of the campus. Getting back to topic, I believe that Ortiz has failed to capitalize on the unique programs that we have and separate us from the mediocre CSU pack. Breaking up ENV and ramming Architecture into Engineering is a failure to recognize the different theories and cultures that make these programs and the university unique. Cal Poly Pomona will only be as good as it's graduates and thus the students that it admits. The dilemma here is that the stricter admissions become, the less students and thus the less money the university gets. Here again, Ortiz has failed by opting for quantity over quality. Our elite sister campus is impacted for all majors and they maintain their student to faculty ratio to 16 to1 while we guarantee admissions to minimally qualified applicants to all but 5 majors and our ratio is up to 24 to 1. It's unfortunate that it has to take an economic crisis to finally restrict admissions. Let's just hope we can also improve the college experience as well. Sara Wed Oct 28 2009 21:50 Martin makes an excellent point. Why is it that any Tom, Dick or Harry that graduates from high school and happens to live in California is automatically accepted into this university? It doesn't make any sense. A college education is a privilege not a right. Sadly, the majority of Cal Poly's students aren't making the grade, and should have their privileges revoked. Sara Wed Oct 28 2009 21:44 No ones bashing engineers. I was just stating a fact the the College of Business does have the most majors on campus. That being said, quantity obviously does not equal quality. Whether you want to believe it or not, the College of Engineering is also in danger if Cal Poly Pomona continues to deteriorate. Now more than ever its time for Cal Poly students to squash whatever petty elitist beef they have with one another and come together to try to save this school. Cal Poly Pomona is a business, and a crapily run one at that. Any other company would increase the supply of their product or service to match the demand for it. Instead Cal Poly chooses to cut back on classes and teachers, the only things that make them successful. We need to put pressure on the administration to provide us with the quality education we deserve. Why are we paying more for a watered down education? Rankings mean absolutely nothing. If Cal Poly's administration continues on this detrimental path, in the next few decades this school may not even exist. Martin Wed Oct 28 2009 21:29 I don't know why exactly cal Poly has beeng going down... ORTIZ OR NOT!! their are TOO many Stupid!! IDIOTS in this school who aren't worth more than a 3.0 gpa.. THAT IS CRAP!!! I hope the new president restructures enrollment qualifications and recruiting for brighter students! bring up the competition. And reevaluate some of these professors who are a joke! along with some students sitting next to me... Good LUCK to us for a GREAT PRESIDENT!! Coming from a Chemical Engineer Perspective Stacey Wed Oct 28 2009 18:59 things... not thinks (damn you Explorer!) Stacey Wed Oct 28 2009 18:58 I'm an engineering student and I think all majors are important.With that in mind, however, we just feel a little betrayed by you guys (non-Engineering majors) who are not keeping up with the College of Engineering or Environmental Design standards. Take a look at Cal Poly-SLO's Orfalea College of Business. It's light years ahead of Pomona's. On the other hand, the College of Engineering at Pomona is ranked #5 in the nation among public master's universities as opposed to SLO's being #1, and ranks along West Point, Cooper Union, Harvey Mudd, etc. The College of Environmental Design (Architecture) is so prestigious they actually rank along Harvard, Berkeley, Cornell, USC, etc and they've had faculty members who are Pritzker Prize laureates (aka "Nobel Prize of Architecture"). Who do guys compare to? Chico State? Come on!!! It's time the College of Business gets some MAJOR restructuring. That's just some of the thinks we engineers think about you guys. Sara Wed Oct 28 2009 16:36 Goodbye and good riddance! Oh yeah, more students are part of the College of Business, than any other major at Cal Poly Pomona. not an engineering student Wed Oct 28 2009 15:59 @ Paul, Even though engineering is a great program, I am so sick of people saying that Cal Poly is an engineering school. There are other majors that don't get recongnized enough. It's with that attitude that when job fairs are on campus they are so focused on engineeing and business. Just an observantion... not a rant * taking my irrevelant comment and steeping out of the thread now* PAUL Wed Oct 28 2009 15:42 WE NEED ONE HELL OF AN ENGINEER AS A PRESIDENT. THIS IS AN ENGINEERING SCHOOL! Brian Wed Oct 28 2009 14:41 Ortiz leaving is the best thing that could happen to Cal Poly University. The students, faculty and staff will be bettered served without him. This University needs a president that is not clueless to the needs of the campus community. Marco Wed Oct 28 2009 12:50 GOOD!!!! Ortiz was turning the once proud "Cal Poly Pomona" brand into a technical college like Devry or ITT. We need to emulate what has Cal Poly-SLO has done in the last decade if we want to catch up to them. See you later Ortiz, believe me, you won't be missed! concerned student Wed Oct 28 2009 04:41 Ortiz does not know how to run a college as competitive as Cal Poly Pomona. New Mexico will do him and our university some good. Hopefully our new President will actually care about the Students, Faculty, and Staff instead of his or her own personal endeavors. Cal Poly definitely needs a new direction and replacing Ortiz is just the first step in that plan. The majority of our top level administrators are not doing their jobs. I hope that he takes of few of them with him. evan Wed Oct 28 2009 01:47 On the CSU front, we used to be second to Cal Poly SLO an then we got surpassed by Cal State Long Beach and now CSU Chico all during his tenure. Fullerton's next. It's time for fresh new leadership! evan Wed Oct 28 2009 01:36 Our U.S. News rankings have gone down the tubes since he took over. Engineering went from 9th best in the country in 2005 to 15th in 2010. We've also gone from 4th best public master's university in the west in 2004 down to 8th in 2010. Check out the rankings by doing an archive search "U.S. News" on the Polycentric website. kurt Wed Oct 28 2009 00:31 Great!! Ever since he got to Pomona, he's tried to turn our university into a technical college by dismantling the College of Environmental Design and moving the Architecture Department to the College of Engineering. If he leaves, maybe our next president can bring a better vision for our university.